But, even if were kind to this man at OPs expense, absolutely nothing short of threatening/harassing/dead naming etc warrants a week-long tantrum ans silent treatment *with* the blessing of the manager! In my work culture (U.K. govt so this is a widespread policy) when you witness sexism/racism or similar you are encouraged, even (circs permitting) required, to challenge that behaviour. Im 50, and Ive been working for longer than I have years left in the workforce, and I can without hesitation say that the absolutely best managers Ive had so far in my career, my current one and her immediate predecessor, are both about 10 years younger than I am. I went to a small for-profit school that acted in really predatory ways and I didnt know that this was an option. Since the terms invention in 1973, it has become used to describe a brief or trivial item of news or information. I feel like without knowing how he would react the private call-out comes with as much or even more risk to LW. It worked fine. Im afraid my friend might get himself fired from his dream job. I know, I know - youre thinking why should I go out of my way for this jerk? This isnt something you let your employee do). I seriously question the respectful here, because Ralph, despite working with you satisfactorily with no problems up to this moment, turned extremely vindictive, blamed YOU, completely disregarded your explanations (which should not been necessary at all), and refused to work with you, depriving you of your livelihood as a result. That usually takes care of it, but then dont hesitate to correct publicly when it is clear they are needling you. I am a thousand times better. (And Id side eye boss really hard for not immediately stepping in and correcting the young lady talk. And his answer? Ive had people looking out for me all my life, I somehow attract them, being scatterbrained. Latina, so was used to being discounted. Im in an exec leadership position, and calling me a girl anything grates because Ive It might also be a matter of stepping on toes. I wasnt taking particular note. This was never going to end well because OP was so nice and polite. Ive had great jobs, been promoted twice in the last 7 months and am looking at another one before the year ends. Its entirely possible that a polite request behind closed doors, delivered with a smile, would have worked fine on him. Or Jane says Bob has been rude to her and given her reputation as a model of professional conduct Im inclined to believe her; we have a Bob problem? The conduct after he was told to stop, of course, is asshole territory. Makes sense to me. Its all speculation anyway, but I dont think we can jump to the conclusion that there really was no better way to tackle this. I can understand how you might have been upset with the way things ended up. I was working in a hospital, and my boss called to tell me a nurse had called him, saying I smelled like alcohol. Coworker needs to learn that names are okay to use. The nuance in my comments seems to be missing from this take. Theyre more like Korg from the Thor movies. Your boss seems to have done a poor job communicating his reasoning, and maybe he could have improved the outcome by letting you provide the feedback directly, or making it clear when he gave the feedback that you personally had disagreed with it. is refusing to speak to anyone the preferred way to deal with all interpersonal conflicts? If/when he keeps doing it, you can then pipe up and say, Im sorry, Jeremy, I have already asked you before to not refer to me or the other women as young ladies. Which makes it clear that He thinks he can be careful and not say anything his employer would object to, and because HR said it was okay itll just be okay. Right, the boss needed to shut down the behavior which he did. Its annoying, and it gets under my skin. (Wonder in the sense if you can think of a context where this behavior might be understandable, that can help in addressing it.). I offered to sign something releasing them from any blowback. But sooner or later hell be tired, or distracted, or even mad, and hell say a wrong thing. There are so many things wrong with it, but it may help you to remember that you owe this to the rest of the staff. Not sure what by so many comments are assuming saying something in private wouldnt have helped. (And frankly, if you dont agree with that please let me know how anyone is ever made aware they are rude if telling them isnt an option. I saw a news item that my state (WI) will treat the forgiveness amount as personal income. I didnt think Id hear that from a work peer in my 30s! but honestly even that feels like a compromise Ive been socialized to make. Agreeing that this other person probably would have thrown the same tantrum either way but using a more private approach may have made it more obvious that the coworker was being unreasonable. So if I refer to kids, I make sure that it refers to everyone, including myself, like Were all the cool kids now? Otherwise, I treat adults as, you know, adults. I also disagree with this being considered rude, since there are an increasing number of people nowadays who act like they are the only people who matter, everyone else is here to serve them, and our thoughts/feelings dont matter. I dunno, if a very young man calls me maam, I may not love it, but I know he is trying to be polite and respectful, and he is acknowledging me as an authority figure or at least an equal. His license was revoked at the end (not because of that, but still it was pretty ridiculous). In reality there should not be any comments involving age, gender and so on in the workplace., Oh, #1, I worked for that guy for years, and honestly there is an excellent chance that his reaction would have been the same no matter how you phrased it, whether or not you had done it more privately, etc. If I were you, Id be tempted to do a point-by-point review of every single block on *her* schedule and how shes supposed to be using them. Sorry this was in regards to LW5, not 4, Copyright 2007 - 2023 Ask A Manager. I wonder if shes new to remote work? It never happened again and were on good terms now. Im getting definite vibes of if a man reacts badly, he must have been provoked into it! What do you think of that, my little virgin?. No one likes being corrected in front of others, but then you can say youve already asked him to stop so the reasoning for escalation to call-out will be clear. But its important to address something here Being legal in a state does not in any way mean an employer cannot have a drug use policy and fire people who violate it. Lather, rinse, repeat as needed. It makes a lot of sense to support her colleagues by commenting in this way. For two, as a woman, when men undermine me in public at my job, Ive found that its rare theyll actually respond to a private rebuke, because theyre already contemptuous of or threatened by me. As obnoxious as the condescending coworker is, the actual problem is the manager who refuses to do anything about it. I had an acquaintance say that my daughter is selfish because she doesnt want kids. There might be something there you need to address (like if you seem zoned out or your clothes smell like weed because your house smells like weed, or so forth). OP, your boss is possibly a bigger problem here. He is the one behaving WILDLY inappropriately (an adult sulking at a workplace? Could you try to not say that again? versus the usual OmG, WTF is wrong with you for saying that?!). No, the boss needs to deal with this by telling him that he needs to do his job and cooperate with his colleagues. I am struggling to picture a boss in an office job going around and going around and asking vartious people if one of their coworkers is on drugs. You should stop your personal social media accounts because I am telling you they are not OK. Whether the friend listens is up to them, but they have been warned. But if hed really been such a wonderful and respectful guy then he would have found a way to keep working with you after being told not to call you baby. As an aside, in Gone with the Wind it wasnt lost on Scarlett OHara when she asked who a woman on the street was, and the driver answered, Her name Belle Watling.. You need to get everything documented, even if you worry it might escalate, because it is already going that direction. For one, you actually get more flies with vinegar. But it was a totally different case because, a) it only happened once ever that I am aware of, b) he is in no way less respectful of female colleagues than male colleagues in general, and he is always amazingly helpful, and c) I absolutely know through his actions and words that he has the utmost respect for me and my skills. To the LW whose coworker is throwing a tantrum over being called out on his condescending, misogynist language, I feel for you. Do it for the people who work under you. I would be heartily annoyed if my manager did this. Alison is right in demanding an immediate stop to remarks about other peoples schedules. No? Its simply acknowledging that public embarrassment can cause a persons ego to flare up in a way that isnt conducive to changing their behavior. (I can imagine people in intimate situations consensually using words that, if used in a different context, would have them fired or sued). And the boss needs to apologize to LW1 for his wording in saying she triggered the guy, which is especially loaded wording given the context. State what you need to state then moving to write up may be the next option. If I demanded that she have children, despite not wanting them herself, wouldnt that make *me* selfish?. Ive been called young lady before and while I was annoyed, nobody was gasping in horror and I didnt consider the offender terminally clueless. This is important. I can imagine it from someone who is (a) at least fifty years older than the woman in question, (b) does not know the womans name and definitely does not work with her, (c) is a slightly anachronistic British gentleman, and (d) is being polite rather than trying to issue a correction of any kind. I am glad to see the fade out is definitely happening. But we arent all the way there with this one yet. And he used the term triggered to refer to the mans reaction to being corrected, which is pretty loaded language considering the context. I admit, I have experienced first-hand the automatic ego-saving defensiveness that can pop up when youre unexpectedly called out (I had used a word that I had no idea was related to an offensive stereotype, and a friend very correctly asked me not to use it it took me a good few days of stewing about feeling bad before I did the logical thing and just deleted that word from my vocab see, the example last week about data nazi where OP is still just stewing). When my DH was promoted and there were many older people in similar but less titled positions, they called him young man. We have zero idea what drugs are a concern. One of my husbands high school classmates response to a similar demand of who do you think you are? was Im Batman, and now I keep waiting for an opportunity to use that myself. It honestly doesnt register with me! And Im making enough of a success of it that I have plenty of time to comment here :-). Theres lots of variables here. and asked me if i overslept I am not any *kind* of a lady. It causes no end of confusion because the usual response is Well, what are you then?, Id be tempted to reply with Lt. Uhuras famous Sorry, neither!, I was just coming in here to quote Lt. Uhuras response to Sulus I will save you, fair maiden!, Rabblerouser and Socratic gadfly (TM) Im 30 years old, my boss is in his 50s and he always calls me young lady. Ive felt he was attracted to me a few times, but the young lady thing is throwing me. People are discussing what would be most effective for the OP to have done in this situation. Then, in college, I called a friend Dave and he replied, Should I just call you stupe? And I still love Sophia and what she stands for a lot. project zero conference; 517 micanopy street wetumpka al. It really boils back to a post last week and the conclusion of if someone tells you a term is offensive you stop using it adn you do not make a big deal over it. Sometimes the person comes up with something that is Amazingly Clever and I am actually wowed. I think the thing is, young lady as a term of address (eg not the young lady or similar), is almost ALWAYS a warning/scolding/etc. At that point, youve gotten down to the rude persons level. Someone being called out fairly and correctly for poor behaviour is not triggered because they dont like it. Be polite and lovely to everyone else, but make it as hard as possible for your manager to decide that the easiest course of action is to placate CC. I freelance nowadays, so theres literally nobody to remind me of anything. I am preparing to have this conversation. For a lady has modest and maidenly airs, and a virtue I somehow suspect that I lack. Why did you run to your boss to complain?. Plus given the reaction of your manager, she would have brought it up with him would have probable not get any result except from, Oh that is just a way he speaks, dont take it personally. Bingo. It sucks because that crap happens all. And of course, a private heads up is the way to go. But I am definitely saving up some of these responses for when I do encounter it! The latter is preferable. Lets remember that 50 is not that old. Thats not a good memory just busting to get out. Id left off some details, since I wasnt writing a book, but hed been condescending to us in the past. But hes behaving childishly and I think the OP should talk to him, acknowledge that her timing was poor but her point was valid, and try to resolve it like adults. But if someones fed up with this absolute BS and embarrasses him with a public call out, good for her!! She said Ive asked you not to do that, he responded I know, Im sorry, its a habit. Why so glum? New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Dudes a jerk. Right? Im over 60, and I have to catch myself referring to RCGs and people under 30 as kids. It used to be said that French waiting staff had an unerring instinct for a womans age and when to use Mademoiselle or Madame and the shock it was when you realised youd stopped being the first and were now the second. There are two kinds of rudeness, though. Hes withholding because he expects you to show deference and since you didnt, youre being punished for it. Bottomline some times people just make poor choices and we try to be a good friend and help them clean it up if we can. Your solution only worked as long as you remained the only woman in the department and willing to play along with the sexism to get what you wanted. If the perpetrator has no qualms about publicly being a condescending jerk to his colleagues then OP need not have any qualms about publicly addressing it. Theyve been told better. Like his tantrums are not happening. All she had to do was look down to see who was on the other line.). Youre right that the advice to shut it down is still spot on. The fact he draws a salary and doesnt do his job is purely the managers to resolve. My mother and I were out to lunch recently I am a middle aged woman and she is in her 70s. Im not honey, young lady, miss, missy, girl, etc. Im wondering if the manager is on drugs. He lies and lies and when i push back its Now Young Lady. Exactly! Retaliation is prohibited by the same laws that make sexism illegal, and employers care about it because it usually creates a much stronger case. It turned into a two week pout fest and an e-mail to me saying how his friends thought I was being ridiculous (Im the HR manager, btw), and that things have really gotten out of hand in society. That manager has never done such toward me again but it shouldnt have had to come to another man telling him to stop. Like if my name is Katherine and I go by Katherine or Kate but never Katie, somebody who Why? Now, lets talk about the Jones case. After an internal deep breath, I responded that, no, thats not selfishits wise. Im just trying to be friendly. So I said then why do you wink at us but never at Henry or Kyle? And he just stood there blank faced for a moment and said Oh.. Maybe include that when addressing it, that you need her to be focusing on her own work and prioritising that over checking what other people are doing. I tried a couple of approachesfirst joking (No ones called me that since I wore short socks with ruffles!dating myself there, Im sure), then a bit more direct and finally with a straight up request to stop doing it because it came off as very disrespectful of my experience and title (which was higher middle management). Its all about the context and how its being meant. Please dont let it devolve to that. Because allowing this kind of behavior to go on AND *blaming the OP for it! Smile, you always tell me it makes things better. I doubt it. I think it is most often used in reference to a clearly very old lady and is just one more way of treating an old woman as if she were childish. She is a gal, girl, boss, CEO, badass, street smart intelligent human, all of it. Someone who is 75 would have been 22 in 1969, in the midst of the counter-cultural revolution. But then the sulking, which is so wildly inappropriate AND is affecting the work of everybody, and absolutely should be addressed by the manager instead of policing the wording of the OP. OP3: Holy cow, that is wild and Alison is right, you need to step in here, because the next step is her starting to report it to YOU and expecting you to take action on things she sees as wasting time. but I think he should be thinking bigger picture. I have been known to reply I am neither young nor a lady in similar circumstances, or to quote Aldonzas I am not a lady. And reacting like a grown up when you do receive feedback. BUT when it was pointed out, he apologized, said he hadnt thought about it and stopped doing it. So, you found an extra-ordinary response to a (fortunately) extra-ordinary situation. I offered to go to the ER and take a blood test; I had been out dancing (not too late) the night before, hadnt showered, and must have smelled like bar. I understand the desire to prevent him from falling. Just stop it. When a colleague is rude to you, which would you rather hear from colleagues and higher-ups? When the meaning changed before we were born, we shrug it off; but when the meaning changes during our lifetimes, we rail against everyone making that mistake. Black women, of course, get a double dose of Im going to ignore your actual words and only talk about your tooooone. If its not a substantial amount of extra money more than your new salary dont bother. I only use private rebukes when I think a man genuinely does not know what hes said is offensive, like using slang that was once common but is now a faux pas, or telling a joke that didnt land well (which is different than a joke where the only punch line is that women-minorities-etc. There is a deadline, so people should apply asap. As someone from the deep south I call everyone whose name I dont know sir or maam even small children! If its to simply call them out and bring attention to their behavior and possibly embarrass, Ill do it publicly. So while its not all your friends fault, its officially no longer their dream job or dream company. Im AFAB, and the number of times I gotten blowback for saying the same type of thing as a male peer is too large to count. And my office is much more heavily female than male, actually, so it probably does not happen as much here as in other work environments! Lets face it, you told him that you were ok with it, but he didnt believe you. Because its just wrong. It simply means that instead of coming up with a system or a strategy to make sure I remember something, I just rely on that person to remind me. It wasnt the only red flag in the interview but its the one I remember. A mature person would have apologized to the OP for letting it get to the point where she called him out in public. If this means they dont get the opportunity to save face, well, that can be the cost of being rude and irrational. Now shes under pressure to either accept being called baby (gross) or to be blamed for something that the *other* woman (you) was always OK with, and thats a terrible situation to put her in. The bosss behavior is actually more concerning to me, since he is her boss. (I did have a chat with the grad program chair, just in case and she thanked me. As Alison said, its quite likely he intended to be courtly but a decent person who intended to be complimentary and realised it was annoying people would be embarrassed and apologetic, not retaliatory. Its five answers to five questions and a PSA. Fun fact: factoid actually means a tidbit that people assume is fact, but is actually false. Yeah, the framing wasnt *great* but his response to it is atrocious. My OH is in his fifties (I am in my forties) and theres no way in heck he would call anyone young lady. And if he continues after that, get your manager involved. It conveys that this is very much not the persons job to do and it needs to stop. The boss really needs to be reported to HR for his response. I laugh when shocked, then have to backtrack and say, but seriously, that is never okay to say. My guess is that the fact that HER boss is considerably younger than she is, she feels the need to assert herself as the superior person in your relationship. I understand how important the job is but OP2 doesnt seem to be understanding how pulling back from your social media presence immediately tanks it and how much work it takes to build it back up. Thats the sort of reaction I would expect from a coworker, not a silent treatment. Next time he says it, drop the please. This! The best solution is waiting for Alison to release it, yes. She escalated that to our manager. Let this guy continue behaving inappropriately was never a good option. But have a conversation (which is what your manager should have done originally her strategy of asking other people is not a good one). Yea, allowing someone to not do their job/ give their team the silent treatment because they were triggered by being called out on bad behavior is the worlds largest red flag. (How much this actually matters depends on the platform. To say that our department was poorly managed and toxic was an understatement, and that my main reason for leaving was specifically my manager and co-irker (closely followed by money) was not a secret (and still isnt). And Im NOT here for it. Again, no. But this would unfortunately likely give him ammunition to say she was nasty to me, and be sort of right. That said, if I did say something, I do not think I would say it publicly because it would embarrass him (unless I felt I needed to due to multiple other methods of trying to communicate it, but that would be a strategic choice that would only work under the exact right circumstances). This strikes me as a variation on last weeks question where the posters SO had investments that conflicted with the posters job. LW3, please please please shut down that woman right now. I would also let your manager know youre apologising for how you said it but not the gist of what you said. Some mean well and genuinely want to move projects His temper tantrum, giving the entire team the silent treatment, tells us everything we need to know about this guy. Wait, Im in my 50s. And the managers reaction tells me its going to work this time too my instinct is that OP will be asked to apologize for calling out the behaviour to make peace, and he will have all his gendered biases reconfirmed. At this point, however, its definitely a one-two punch of awfulness. Why is the boss criticizing the LW when this guy is sulking and acting like a toddler because hes embarrassed? However, if you arent a person of authority, someone may call you boss man/lady as a means to insult you by suggesting that you assume people should respect you and give you authority, even if you do not possess it. See also: person calling cops on drug dealer who gave them a bad deal. Honestly, saying it with the team listening is the best scenario. So sorry youre dealing with this. Id make appointments with intriguing names and the leave notes for her in the meeting details Knew you wouldnt be able to resist Go Wax Daniel Craig with Idris. He heard this from the recruiter, who checked with HR, and HR came back and said it should be fine as long as you dont share confidential information or speak on behalf of the company. However, his boss recommended that he cease and desist it all immediately, and cited someone in a different department who was fired for a talk he gave outside of work that the higher-ups interpreted as revealing too much insider infobeing cleared by HR and the PR team didnt save this person as he was fired immediately without a chance for appeal. As the clock ticks down toward an unprecedented US debt default, the worlds second- and third-biggest economies are watching in fear. He really is just that kind of person. Oh yeah, I missed that bit. But hes already been so unreasonable, and his reaction here is over-the-top, and its really weird that the boss is taking his side, so Im not optimistic. In a work setting, its important for people to know how their behavior is being perceived. We tried gravitas. So? /s. Yeah, that triggered jumped out at me and makes me suspicious of the boss. (Im also not going to be the person who reins in regional endearment vocabulary, especially if its more or less gender-neutral. Archived post. Agree. Youve had two examples of passive-aggressive men in two days. Ive heard people who exhibit behavior of this type use triggered specifically and intentionally as a type of challenge. said, Mr. And triggered? Three different friends looked out for me at school, reminding me about my homework etc. My name is X, not young lady, in the flattest, calmest tone you can muster while looking him in the eye. to not change this type of phrase. However, after dealing with this old fart for 10 years, I finally snapped Im fine sweetheart, how are you? and I thought his eyes would bug out. But in the meantime, Id just work around him. You were smart not to call the judge out, but I understand why you would want to! As someone new to your industry, you dont understand these norms and theyre probably being extra cautious with their recommendations until you understand industry norms. Apparently he did this in faculty meetings as well). She called out a coworker over a sexist remark during an in-house department meeting. Also, this isnt the biggest issue by far, but it really bugs me that the boss is misusing the term triggered.. If they are having to make this choice, it is officially no longer their dream job or dream company. The boss should be telling this guy to stop saying young lady, and to stop throwing a tantrum and do his job. It was always, always a power play and attempt to put them in their place. We all have to talk to each other to do our jobs. And if you do, you should be paid a premium. I dont know whos the bigger asshole here, your coworker or your boss. The young lady comment doesnt rise to the level of harassments, but retaliating for being told to stop may well hit that level. Whos right? I agree with not apologizing. They hired him because he demonstrated a lot of knowledge and interest about the industry. Yeah, as a peer I would be so frustrated. This is an important point for people to remember, thank you for raising it. Ive followed fan bloggers who got a job in comics and whose online presence tapered off very quickly afterwards- friend could have been hired to help create the media hes been reviewing/critiquing. Oh, very probably. Its like saying youre aware of fraud at work but youre willing to ignore it. Going around the office saying do any of you think OP is on drugs? is so bizarre and inappropriate no matter how much they think its true. Honestly his tantrum seems like a win win. I had less experience, so I couldnt be the queen, but I could be the princess. A similar thing happened to me yesterday, I wrote another comment in a similar vein, and considerably later (hours?) VERY much context and relationship based. This is how Senator Barbara Boxer of California reacted last year while questioning Brigadier General Michael Walsh of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. It doesnt change the fact that she shouldnt be bringing it up unsolicited and certainly shouldnt be asking people if its the best use of their time, etc, but just to say she might not be intentionally monitoring. LW1 Im struggling more with the idea that she was asked to soften the message than the idea that he was huffy about being called out. If your boss is calling you names at work, that's a hard work environment to live in, but there may not be much you can do about it except to leave the job. Find the right lawyer for your legal issue. 1:27 PHOENIX Lurid new details have emerged from a new 53-felony-count federal indictment against an Arizona-based polygamist fundamentalist cult and its leader, Samuel Bateman. My boss asked my coworkers if Im using drugs at work. Then dropping the please, then taking it to management.) WebSolutions NicanorLorenzoI Level 8 (Authority) 967 Answers, 3 Friends, 45 Followers "Lady means woman" 0 0 Hi there! In the past few (and Im not against this tool- I use it all the time). Oof, yeah, I became immediately more skeptical of the boss at that point. You havent done anything wrong. He took a ton of management. Im just giving back exactly the energy I get. Oh, Bob and Jane are having one of their interpersonal conflicts again, why cant they get along? Ok, you need to screen shot anything he says and save it before he can delete it, and you need to start putting things between you and your boss in writing, by email. Me too. Claiming that the OP is at fault here, or that the CW is legitimately embarrassed by an over-reaction to stuff that he could have legitimately not realized is a problem are all justifications for behavior that should be putting his job in jeopardy. I know my situation is different from OPs as I wasnt bothered by the term used to address me (and in my situation, it wasnt done in a condescending manner), but my point is (in defense of how OP handled things) that if women are to be taken seriously in the workplace, they should be allowed to handle workplace issues how they see fit. In the late 90s / early aughts, I worked in a male dominated industry and I was the only woman in my department. I found that responding in kind worked quite well with the added bonus of him getting huffy about it. Another older male colleague fell over himself apologizing when I explained that it was demeaning to call me princess. With people that have already shown themselves awful and irrational, first priority must be self-protection. Where are you seeing that the industry is finance? HERES WHY. I understand why you didnt you were fed up, and if he says something like that publicly, he risks getting a public reaction. No, your coworker wasnt triggered, because its not an internet buzzword, its a serious symptom of PTSD. Thats illegal. It diminishes ones point. But OTOH I was the one who immediately, though in a friendly tone, pointed out to a (more senior, non English native speaker, south Asian) co-worker that, no, calling me and the male grad student who shared the same first name (say, Pat) girl-Pat and boy-Pat would not work.). Indictment of Arizona polygamist leader, 10 others details sex crimes against young girls. This guy seems like someone who retaliates. I disagree. Young lady is routinely used to address women who are not at all young or inexperienced, and often by men who are the same age or younger than they are. Lots of people use it to mean small fact (myself included until I learned this last year!) 2 kid vs young lady is totally different. He refused to continue working with me. To say that didnt go over well is an understatement. I say let him have his tantrum. I am 51 years old and have never used the term young lady except in jest to people who are barely younger than I am. NO ONE has called me young lady at work in 40 years. Not an enemy, but not buddies. Just no. That was a friend thing to do. Just because a person is perceived as a woman does not automatically make them a #@%^&# doormat! I am in Camp He Knows Better. Just completely ignoring that you posted your comment in response to someone who was making assumptions first. Nesting fail. Yeah, I think the group setting was better than addressing in private as well, for showing your colleagues support, but also so they know that if nothing changes, your manager failed. LW2 Dear friend, your boss has told you to stop something and gave you a good reason why. Im definitely in the escalation to make a point camp on this one. This I was just being chivalrous brand of sexism is especially insidious in the workplace and deserves to be called out for what it is. 2. No one likes to be publicly called out for their mistakes in front of their peers. So I feel like the advice is that if the other person is being rude, you can push through your own sense that YOU are being rude to call them on their behaviour but not often to actually say youre being rude. why do people insist on writing an entire message in the email subject line? The message was Free to be you and me, not Father knows best. We had opposite sex friends and our mothers all worked, often in positions of authority. A 50 year-old man throwing a week-long tantrum is ridiculous. What the heckarooney, thats such an immature thing to say. It also implies that he knew EXACTLY what he was doing and that the boss knows it, too. cool, there are 17 interviews, my coworker got drunk and punched another coworker in the parking lot, I got in trouble for overstepping at work, bringing luggage to an interview, and more. Yeah, as her manager you have to address this both for the sake of your other employees and for her own sake too, since shes unknowingly alienating the people she needs to work with. Thanks. If youd be willing to cover the difference in exchange for me staying on, I can look into it. Nh u T Thnh Cng Tin Dng Nht. I am the Dread Pirate Roberts =))))))))))))))))))))). Often? I think if I were OPs friend I would want to have more in-depth conversations with the boss AND HR together to figure out what was and wasnt okay and how things would be evaluated if someone from the company noticed a post they found concerning. I love how the manager is so concerned about young lady guys feelings and not about the womens feelings and what is appropriate or not. But NOOWWW all of the lady boss chitter chatter popping up freaking everywhere is driving me nuts. It made me think of the esports or video game industry, too. have brought up that he might have to cease his personal online engagement on issues pertaining to the industry due to confidentiality reasonshis new employer is one of the biggest corporations in the industry, and it would be extremely difficult for him to continue and just not ever mention his employer, their subsidiaries, or their products. He is implying more than inexperience the term young woman when combined with his behavior is implying that he thinks LW1 and her colleague are flighty, flippant, empty-headed, unreliable, and every other nasty stereotype applied to young women. The store ran an ad in the paper about the lost shirt. Its simply making a suggestion based on the world we live in. My early thirties coworker was being called young lady in open court by opposing counsel. I am in the same age bracket as the guy who calls women young ladies and Im stunned that one of my peers would refer to women that way. I do think people respond better to please dont call me young lady (seen as a personal preference) over calling people young lady is condescending (seen as a judgement on them) even though THAT IS CORRECT. He absolutely knows better, he is choosing not to show it. Thanks, Dougie! And just like that, he stopped. He was born in the 1970s and calling people young lady hasnt been acceptable in his lifetime. If he still continued, then public would be fine. TELL her what needs to change. Should I allow a 50-ish year old man, call me and my coworker (both late 30s) young lady to keep from triggering him? The horse has long since left the barn and this guy and the manager are truly sexist jerks at this point. Agreed. While it may be a good tactic, it really burns me up that a public insult is supposed to be met with a private and conciliatory correction. I have a colleague (about 7 years older than me) who regularly calls people, of all ages, pet. When she does it to me, its affectionate and sisterly and I like it. She is accustomed to being either the operations manager or the executive director in the other nonprofits and consultancies she has worked at in the past 35 years. That must be very helpful to your team. On another note, I had a direct report that always called me Boss, as in Okay Boss or Need anything before I leave Boss? but being called Boss bothers An unarmed 11-year-old Black boy in Mississippi was shot by a police officer after he called 911 to report a domestic disturbance to try to protect his mother, his familys attorney said. My boss says that I triggered him, and I shouldnt have said anything with the rest of the team on the call (all five of us, including the boss). I once had some success with a cheerful oh, Im not as young as I look, you can call me MyName in a meeting. Huh must have read the letter before I finished my coffee. This guy might be lucky no ones taken it that far. Which was the topic being discussed. If the boss had just told LW1 that it would have been better not to call him out publicly, I would understand, though I would still think the boss needed to acknowledge that the young lady language is inappropriate and that the guys reaction was unacceptable. This is not what I would call great, respectful relationship, quite the opposite. I had an experience where a coworker (40ish) called me (20ish) sweetheart in a condescending tone (ie: slow down sweetheart) and I saw flames so fast I turned and said curtly dont call me sweetheart and he apologized, seeing how serious I was, and never called me sweetheart again. He sounds like a jerk. Its almost crazy how quickly he realized he did not like being spoken to like that. Starting with a low-key private chat is best and works with most people, but there are some folks that will retaliate for any kind of critical feedback. Manager blames OP. When you managed people, did you like it when someone else undermined you and did your job? My little cubby was next to security, which employed students also. Thisd probably fall into simple teasing, offhand comments, or isolated incidents that arent very serious, but if a companys being cautious about anything in this space it might be taken as more serious. However, Hwa-Shin has always been arrogant and harsh to Na-Ri. I think it is difficult for her to work for me (22 years her junior). Decades ago a friend of my husbands who is a lawyer had the judge say Thank you sweetheart when she finished her presentation. Im in media, where having a good Twitter feed/newsletter/YouTube channel can absolutely help you get a job because its another way to demonstrate the skills youd bring to the job. Now there are witnesses. Bro needs to get over it. Someone has to take a mature approach and clearly this chap is not. I think the reaction would have been the same, no matter how soft or blunt the message was. hadnt changed much for front of house while back of house was mostly weed in the places I worked, except for the executive chef, who was usually on coke. The boss is enabling his behavior and excusing both his prior words/actions and his current actions. I had an acquaintance say that my daughter is selfish because she doesnt want kids. Unless he grew up in a monastery or lived in a cave and never talked to a woman, he knowsWomen have been going round on this as long as I can remember. Women can handle anything, though. I repeatedly and patiently explained that I wasnt responding because I didnt realize he was talking to me because that wasnt my name. OK, it sounds like you had enough history and understanding of the situation to make a strategic call about it being public, but start screenshotting everything he says in chat before he can delete any of it. Remember how certain men used to refer to male underlings of any age as Boy? Women being in an unimpeachable position because theyre always SO polite to all the men who are sexist, condescending assholes gets them nowhere in their careers. Yeah, at most you might ping co-workers in a general sense. A software glitch caused a Japanese robotic spacecraft to misjudge its altitude as it attempted to land on the moon last month leading to its crash, an investigation has revealed. I know pretty clearly what I can and cannot say in online posts, both in invite-only seminar type settings and in broadly accessible posts like this one. Dont get caught up in that. I was a little surprised because the project I was staying for wasnt that important. Did you call me X? in all sorts of vocal tones without repercussions. Honestly, I hadnt even noticed it. I find it rude, and only appropriate to say to a four-year-old in positive terms: You look adorable, young lady, or to a slightly older girl as a negative: Where are you going, young lady It shouldnt ever be appropriate to say to a grown woman, much less a coworker. Yeah, ideally its best to call these things out before you reach the point of fed up cause that can often make us sound harsher than we mean to. I waited until he was done talking and said, Just so you know, calling us young lady is rude and condescending, and makes it sound like were being scolded. He proceeded to say he was no longer talking on team calls, mentoring, or helping anyone. You said your piece, now let him be an adult and decide. (You know, Jim, please dont call me young lady. I often get younger people saying why is it discrimination to deny older people a job based on the age, but not younger people? Adults dont throw week long temp[er tantrums, give people the silent treatment, retaliate against ENTIRE TEAMS for the actions of one person, and essentially refuse to do their job. #1 really grinds my gears. It does make you wonder what kind of manager she was when she was a director, doesnt it? as a coworker told me, nobody ever got promoted for tweeting, but you sure as hell can get fired for it., (social media managers an obvious exception). He got told he was wrong. Im wondering who chose the word, the old fart or the clueless boss? Of course, putting that aside, another response to it is, Why would I want to attract flies?. Exactly this. It just makes it easier for dudes to keep condescending while playing innocent. Ageism towards older employees is definitely a serious problem, but this sort of condescending attitude towards younger managers needs to go away, too. (think Les instead of Lesley) I turn it around call them Bobby if their name is Robert, etc. Well above what I was getting at the new job (which didnt mind the delay in my start date). I had a senior colleague do it to me once, but it was only once, not a habit, and he has never shown any signs of looking down on women. Eh, my dads in that age bracket, roughly. I watched the Jennifer Lopez documentary on Netflix last night. Your team can do without that guy, pretend he quit and carry on. Sexism against women has been rising in the past decades, and since Covid its becoming much more flagrant. Being a rude jerk is not a great look, no matter your identity. I was horrified to hear that because I am not, and never would. She prioritizes the calendar monitoring over many, many more pressing tasks! Oh, youre woke and Ive offended you? Native (Southeast) Southerner here. Shes not a manager, and she needs to stop acting like she is. If you dont actively want to, its acceptable to just say, No, Im sorry, I dont have flexibility on the start date.. Along similar lines, I decided I was officially middle-aged when I started saying things like, What a nice young man/woman. But while I would refer to someone that way Im looking for the young woman selling lemonade who was here yesterday I also realize that I would never address someone like that. He Never Trusts You With The Prime Projects: when your boss makes you feel incompetent, he doesnt consider you enough for a good project. For example, a stop asking people if Im on drugs dude! In my view, as a rabid feminist, and lesbian woman, being rude does not advance ones career. I was spawned in a ditch by a mother who left me there. (Which is why Alisons paid to give the advice and not me, because yeah, that needs to stop now is far more efficient and effective.). Miss Manners does not recommend that and says it is rude to call others rude. Honesty, if there were a way for OP to communicate you are coming across as our scolding mom I bet this employee would really be taken aback they probably think theyre asserting leadership and authority, and dont want to give this impression. My coworker refuses to talk to anyone because I asked him to stop calling us young ladies Ive had Hes just feeling old? It was overused decades ago. Year ago when I wrote a food column I would occasionally mention a name brand product that I used and liked. This is a management problem. youre just so very confused, and trying to follow his directions, of course! I know he would be coming from a good place, but he would actually undermine you and you would lose respect from those colleagues. Just consider yourself lucky to be warned that they will probably try to talk you into it, and prepare a suitably bland but firm and short refusal (it would be inconvenient for my new employer?). Not the specific act itself. Yes, I cant see a good solution here either, but I think my response would be to have a firm conversation with my manager about respect, sexism and why I they should have stepped in long before you snapped at Condescending Colleague. And if the manager ends up punishing LW for it? Alison gave a good script. Shed call and ask for me by that name, which confused the rest of the office, send mail to me in that name it was annoying, but I had to live with it since she was a client. Especially since he was using a term that is commonly used as an endearment and it was a work relationship with a power imbalance that you both explicitly aware of. He took that to heart and mostly changed, but I sure was glad when he ended up moving on. A) Yes, someone is offended by the term I love this blog, but one thing that I often find disturbing is the advice to call people rude. Yes, but only if the person you are talking to is reasonable to begin with. This is precisely what I am trying to find out whether this is a question of moderation (if so, Ill just happily wait whatever it takes knowing it is in the pipeline), but given that my other comments appeared immediately after I posted them I was thinking that there might be some sort of a technical glitch and wanted to flag it were it the case. Good for her! And to someone in her late 30s??? My dad had friends who legit didnt know. I *have* in a situation like this called it in privately and at the same time told the other women I had done so. Hes a sexist jerk and nobody is reining him in. I am an old lady myself and it is often used by smarmy very junior professionals upon meeting an older client. In this particular context, it is not a tad condescending, it is endearing and I love it. That said be really sure you want to do this, particularly if its more than a week. This extreme hostility is occurring in response to a reasonable good-faith concern about sexism, raised in a professional and respectful if not friendly way. Remove any hopes of playing it off or jerking anyones chain. Unfortunately when spoken, that may be indistinguishable from another word. The problem with thanks, old man is that age is a protected class by the EEOA But only in one direction, i.e. To me, using triggered in this context was actually a red flag. Absolutely. Sometimes posts get screenshotted without the relevant dates attached. I dont like girl boss because Im 33, but people always assume Im younger. How can this be addressed?, Depending on their answer, I would likely want to add Being more concerned about his comfort and feelings and by protecting his use of gendered and aged bias language creates a gender line that is hard to navigate and breakthrough. And often plays out poorly. But his reaction is wildly over the top, and its ridiculous that your boss is indulging him. That removes a hugely important and effective tool from ones toolbox, which is a serious, face to face, equal to equal, colleague to colleague, conversation. Thats not how this works. I have worked with her on other issues, but her hyper monitoring everybodys calendars is baffling to me. She worked closely with my department but didnt manage us. The standard procedure for dealing with jerks or inappropriate behavior in the workplace. Im sick of people perceived as women being expected to put every jerks feelings ahead of their own. Is the manager asking about a specific drug? Hes in his 50s?!? If you ask me about upcoming stuff, like So are you expanding the iChocolate Teapot line? youll either get some vague non answer using public knowledge like That line has been really successful for us or if you ask these questions over and over, youll get a blunt answer like Even if I know Im not able to answer you. The HR person is likely entirely correct that its possible to keep posting with just a little extra caution. Yeah, I dont know if thats actually the case. Or simply Im 45 and go by Patricia, for next time in a really bland, deadpan way. Though its usually more about how angry they seem when speaking in a normal tone of voice. Yeah, a lot of these comments are really disappointing. Neither seems possible given his role and history at the company. I am a professional person, and if you cant hear from me what you accept from your male peers you need a check-up from the neck up. my employee has to deal with men constantly getting crushes on her, employee is missing the mark with our dress code, manager keeps delaying our team off-site, and more. But my question to you is why the snark against the OP? Former DreamCo employee dishes on this years saucer releases! is always going to attract attention. Hell probably increase the pressure on OP first, because he thinks shell be easier to push, but when shes not, hell throw up his hands and wait it out. Girls played sports. Its all good and fine to have a casual approach for the most part. I was told that he apologized to me (It was an Im sorry youre upset non-apology) and I should apologize to him for embarrassing him. He still will say young lady but much less now and I still respond with old man. Student is totally right here, soft private approaches should be reserved for truly misguided people. Are you a woman? I have a coworker in his 70s who used to do it to me only a few years ago and I set him straight in private. thats why they said fun fact and not this is why OP1 is wrong. The older employee may have been referring to Jung Ladies, the tell-all biography of pioneering psychologist Carl Jung and his notorious womanizing. Yeah, the people at work Ive heard bristle the most about being told to tone it down are people who were unhelpfully abrasive and tactless. Or running a gossip blog about politics, or video games, or leaks and guesses about upcoming movies doing it before hes hired and has access to trade secret is very different than after, and it would be a very hard line to walk. Maybe that would have taught some lessons. /s. Todays guy is claiming victim status (saying he was triggered) and refusing to interact with teammates (an aggressive act). This is the crux of the whole situation. We did talk to each other at work though, and he was still condescending in other ways lol. Is there something Ive done that has given you that concern? People can call each other whatever they like as long as both agree. Boss needs to explain that although he does not feel she handled it in the best way by addressing it publicly, he understands that her concerns are valid and he is talking to the guy about the issue and taking it seriously. I think I agree. The tricky thing here was it was about her sharing her salary so legally she might have a right to do that without getting fired. Yeah, I am from the less deep south, but here, many young men have been taught that it is ill-mannered not to address grown women, especially ones who are older or in a position of authority, as maam. It also lets the rest of the team, who have been letting it slide, that its not okay. But it sure as anything resonates! Treat others as they treat you. But overall? This behavior is crappy at best, and toxically narcissistic at worst. I am an honest woman, and as such I shall be treated.. ? in an unbelieving tone. I am guessing that theres a way he could be able to continue creating content about the subject hes passionate about, but he might need clarification and guidelines on whats off limits. Im sure its served you well in your career to be able to form productive working relationships with all kinds of people, but Im not buying the description that this relationship was respectful if it only remained so as long as the guy was allowed to call you baby.. OPs colleague is behaving like a petulant toddler and it infuriates me that her boss is enabling him. Knowing they are not only costing the departing employee money, but jeopardizing their new job prospects. You dont have to give them an extended notice period. Are you saying you cant communicate with them in a lighthearted way if you also cant yell at them?. And there, I am at a loss (and I hope this is not OPs bosss case). The next time I talked to my client, he said right away, if you had a problem with how I address you, why didnt you say something? Oh, and Alison courtly? Ugh. If youve ever attended a sexual harassment training, this is one of the super obvious examples that gets brought up heck, even the ones from the 90s with cringey, awkward acting! But its the unwelcome part that makes acts harassing or hostile. Ive been there, and felt it as a large injustice (as from my POV, I was just responding to long-term pestering). That said, OP2 has voiced an opinion and the friend needs to make his own decision. The only exception is maaaybe in the course of banter with someone I know well. Hes actually really great about gender politics in the office, but I could definitely see some of his buddies thinking they were being ironic by saying young lady or think, Im a feminist guy and were all in on the joke!. My not-good impulse in that situation might have been to snark back Thanks Dad because what he said and how he said it came off as parental-ish from him and infantilizing towards me; neither of which are appropriate in the workplace. Stephanie Nolen covers global health. Its not an option, you arent asking. I didnt even use it with my daughter when she was a kid. If you both dig your heals in at the same time, then the friendship could be lost. You can too! He cold also make a reference to speculation about something happening in the industry that turns out to be true, and higher ups at the company may think hes using his insider knowledge to release confidential information. But if she doesnt cut it out you need to get more blunt. We recently did a training where it was said that pervasive comments about ones age or gender could possibly be illegal/considered harassment/reportable to HR. Im struggling to understand how a public hey that was sexist is rude. I know her type. I thought Alisons response was a good way to explain how Doug might be seeing young lady as kind and courtly. I said, basically, whats in it for me? He was completely prepared for this and offered me most of my annual bonus, which I otherwise would have missed entirely. Better than breaking into tears I guess . Hell either realize he was ridiculous or get the gut punch that no one actually cares if he talks. how do I come to terms with giving up on my dream job? ), I love this blog, but one thing that I often find disturbing is the advice to call people rude. Because reasonable adults do NOT react this way to being embarrassed! I think its just been so normalized for older men to act like this. They are intending to demean and belittle you. Where I struggle is in the more professional environments where the sexism is sneakier and easier to justify with rebuttals along the lines of oh thats just the way he talks or he didnt mean that that way. I am not here for older men to belittle me by trying to cutesiefy me. LW1 noted that he does not do this with the male colleagues. I wasnt clear on that part either. For context, shes probably about my age (although I am generally mistaken for younger than my actual age), shes Latina (Im white), and were in the DMV, although the main company office is in Georgia, and were both in (completely different) support roles. This is a proof that everything is context-dependent. Agree. Why cant a woman stand up for herself? There are some things that are never going to be fully ok because of the effect they have on the bystanders and the general office culture, but leaving that aside, people are allowed to have individual relationships and one-on-one quirks. I agree that this is a little strange, but it makes sense if its viewed as a need two OKs to continue, one veto to stop situation because the manager/management and HR have different assessments of what is acceptable. Yeah, no. 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